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“The entire industry — including OpenAI and Anthropic’s theoretical revenues of $13.1 billion and $4.5 billion — hit around $65 billion last year, and that includes the revenues from providing compute generated by neoclouds like CoreWeave and hyperscalers like Microsoft.”

Four Horsemen of the AIpocalypse, paragraph 116. The full statement is at the source.

Our reading, the sentence that was checked:

The entire AI industry, including OpenAI's and Anthropic's theoretical revenues of $13.1 billion and $4.5 billion, hit around $65 billion in revenue last year.

Assessment: Unresolved Evidence as of

Where and when Ed Zitron wrote it

Where's Your Ed At, Four Horsemen of the AIpocalypse, paragraph 116.

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What the claim commits to

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Conditions

  • including compute revenues of neoclouds like CoreWeave and hyperscalers like Microsoft (scope, stated by the speaker)

From the speaker

  • The entire industry
  • OpenAI and Anthropic’s theoretical revenues of $13.1 billion and $4.5 billion
  • around $65 billion last year
  • includes the revenues from providing compute
  • neoclouds like CoreWeave and hyperscalers like Microsoft

Our interpretation

  • 'Last year' means calendar 2025.
  • The surrounding discussion identifies the generative AI industry, including its compute services, rather than every historical use of AI.
  • The dollar figures are US dollars and describe realized annual revenue, not year-end annualized run rates.
  • 'Theoretical revenues' and the surrounding reliance on reporting indicate estimates rather than a stated GAAP or IFRS aggregate.
  • The explicit inclusion of upstream compute requires a transparent aggregation method. No arbitrary percentage tolerance is added to 'around'.
  • The named company figures are components; verifying them alone does not verify the industry total.

Counts as supported if: A transparent, sufficiently comprehensive estimate of calendar-2025 realized revenue for the stated industry scope places the total reasonably near $65 billion and substantiates the named components.

Counts as contradicted if: A comparable comprehensive estimate or defensible bound places revenue materially outside an ordinary approximation to $65 billion, or establishes a material error in a named component.

Retrospective: these criteria were written after the outcome was public.

Current assessment

Was it true for the period described?

Outcome: Unresolved

The record was checked, and the evidence available by the cutoff does not settle it.

Scored on a plain reading. The speaker named no measure for this claim, so it was judged on the reading an informed reader would take, stated below under our interpretation. Both reviews had to find that reading fair.

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Rationale

A February 20, 2026 secondary account of CNBC reporting puts OpenAI's calendar-2025 revenue at $13.1 billion [e1]. Anthropic's audited results, disclosed October 26, 2026, report $4.585 billion for the year ended December 31, 2025, close to the stated $4.5 billion [e2]. These sources support the named components approximately, but neither provides an industry-wide total including neocloud and hyperscaler compute services [e1, e2]. They cannot settle whether that calendar-2025 total was around $65 billion [e1, e2].

Limitations

  • No comprehensive, scope-matched industry aggregation or defensible bound is supplied.
  • Industry coverage and treatment of reseller, intercompany and overlapping compute revenues remain unspecified.
  • The OpenAI figure comes from secondary reporting rather than public financial statements.

Evidence (2 items)

  • Context only: Investing.com, republished by Yahoo Finance,

    OpenAI generated $13.1 billion in revenue.

    Why it matters here: Matches the stated OpenAI component, based on a secondary account of reporting from unnamed sources. It does not measure the entire industry.

    Publisher
    Investing.com, republished by Yahoo Finance
    Kind of source
    Secondary summary
    Measures
    OpenAI, Revenue, USD billions, estimate, 2025-01-01 to 2025-12-31
    Describes events of
    Public from
  • Context only: Anthropic, PBC / U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission,

    Revenue for the year ended December 31, 2025 increased by $4.2 billion, or 1,088%

    Why it matters here: The adjacent audited results table reports 2025 revenue of $4,585 million, close to the claimed $4.5 billion component. This company's accounts cannot establish the industry estimate.

    Publisher
    Anthropic, PBC / U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission
    Kind of source
    Regulatory filing, audited
    Measures
    Anthropic, Revenue, USD millions, company reported, 2025-01-01 to 2025-12-31
    Describes events of
    Public from

What would settle it

A transparent calendar-2025 realized-revenue reconciliation covering generative AI providers and the included compute services, with substantiated company estimates and explicit treatment of reseller and intercompany sales, would test the $65 billion total.

Where it was said (1)

Said once in the sources this register covers.

  • : Where's Your Ed At, Four Horsemen of the AIpocalypse

    The entire industry — including OpenAI and Anthropic’s theoretical revenues of $13.1 billion and $4.5 billion — hit around $65 billion last year, and that includes the revenues from providing compute generated by neoclouds like CoreWeave and hyperscalers like Microsoft.

    Published
    2026-04-21
    Source observed
    , live page
    Access
    full text, public

History

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