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“As I wrote (and broadcast) recently, LLMs are running out of training data, and the desperation to find more will lead to significant legal consequences when it's revealed exactly how much they stole and from whom they stole it from.”

They're Looting The Internet, paragraph 52. The full statement is at the source.

Our reading, the sentence that was checked:

LLMs are running out of training data.

Assessment: Unresolved Evidence as of

Where and when Ed Zitron wrote it

Where's Your Ed At, They're Looting The Internet, paragraph 52.

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the cutoff for this assessment
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assessment wyea-the-great-looting-of-the-internet-7b3c4b-a2

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What the claim commits to

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From the speaker

  • LLMs are running out of training data

Our interpretation

  • This assessment covers the supplied normalized proposition about data availability. It does not grade the separate forecast of legal consequences in the same sentence.
  • The ordinary reading is that frontier LLM training was approaching a shortage of useful additional human-generated text at prevailing scaling rates, rather than that every possible training source was already exhausted.
  • A projection can inform that assessment, but its assumptions and distinction between high-quality text and all usable data must be preserved.
  • No period is stated. I use 2024 through publication as the current-state reporting window.

Counts as supported if: Stock-and-demand estimates applicable to the target period show useful additional training text approaching exhaustion at prevailing frontier training rates.

Counts as contradicted if: Comparable estimates applicable to the target period show that usable new data was not approaching a constraint under then-current training practices.

Retrospective: these criteria were written after the outcome was public.

Current assessment

Was it true for the period described?

Outcome: Unresolved

The record was checked, and the evidence available by the cutoff does not settle it.

Scored on a plain reading. The speaker named no measure for this claim, so it was judged on the reading an informed reader would take, stated below under our interpretation. Both reviews had to find that reading fair.

Evidence as of
Deadline state when assessed
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Assessment recorded
Policy version
2026-10-28.7

Rationale

Epoch's November 10, 2022 analysis projects data constraints if trends continue, but describes its uncertainty as very high and identifies data efficiency and synthetic data as factors its model should incorporate [e1]. Its June 6, 2024 update places full utilization of usable human-generated public text between 2026 and 2032 with 80% confidence, depending on its assumptions about data and training [e2]. The update also revises the earlier methodology [e2]. Neither projection settles whether useful additional text was approaching exhaustion during January 1–April 15, 2024 [e1, e2].

Limitations

  • The earlier analysis supplies a conditional projection, not a measurement of the target-period condition [e1].
  • The June update postdates the target period and changes the assumptions underlying the earlier estimate [e2].
  • The public-text estimate does not establish a shortage across all possible training sources [e2].

Evidence (2 items)

  • Context only: Epoch AI,

    the model uncertainty is very high.

    Why it matters here: The study projected high-quality language-data exhaustion before 2026, while projecting much later limits for lower-quality language data. It explicitly qualified those projections and did not measure an April 2024 shortage.

    Where
    Results
    Publisher
    Epoch AI
    Kind of source
    Preprint, not peer reviewed
    Describes events of
    Public from
  • Context only: Epoch AI,

    2032.

    Why it matters here: The later update projected a future constraint and revised the earlier high-quality-data estimate. Its changed methodology cautions against treating the earlier projection as an established current shortage.

    Publisher
    Epoch AI
    Kind of source
    Preprint, not peer reviewed
    Describes events of
    Public from

What would settle it

A stock-and-demand comparison applicable to January 1–April 15, 2024 showing whether useful additional human-generated text was approaching exhaustion at prevailing frontier training rates, with consistent assumptions about quality, language, deduplication, repetition and access.

Where it was said (1)

Said once in the sources this register covers.

  • : Where's Your Ed At, They're Looting The Internet

    As I wrote (and broadcast) recently, LLMs are running out of training data, and the desperation to find more will lead to significant legal consequences when it's revealed exactly how much they stole and from whom they stole it from.

    Published
    2024-04-15
    Source observed
    , live page
    Access
    full text, public

History

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    First assessment published after both reviews and the final-text check passed.

    About assessment wyea-the-great-looting-of-the-internet-7b3c4b-a2.

  2. HeldBy this site

    The final-text check failed: citations_correct.

    About assessment wyea-the-great-looting-of-the-internet-7b3c4b-a1, which was not published.