Pundit ClaimsAI claims by Gary Marcus and Ed Zitron, with the evidence

“In the last 18 months, GPT-4o is not significantly different.”

Rot Economics - An Interview With MIT's Daron Acemoglu, paragraph 53.

Our reading:

GPT-4o is not significantly different from what was available 18 months earlier.

Assessment: Contradicted

What happened

Was it true for the period described?

Outcome: Contradicted

The evidence goes against what they said.

Judged on a plain reading. They named no measure, so we used the reading a typical informed reader would take. It is spelled out under “How we judged it”.

Evidence up to . Checked .

Why

The contract compares GPT-4o with the GPT-4 line OpenAI had offered since March 2023. The evidence shows clear differences. In an LMSYS data file dated 2024-07-23, GPT-4o scored a 79.21 Arena-Hard-Auto win rate against GPT-4-0314, the baseline model (e4). OpenAI's 2024-05-13 launch post says GPT-4o is a single end-to-end model across text, vision and audio. The same post puts its average audio response time at 320 ms, against 5.4 seconds for GPT-4 in the earlier Voice Mode (e3). It also says GPT-4o is 2x faster and half the price of GPT-4 Turbo in the API (e2). These differences meet the contract's contradiction condition. One narrower point holds. OpenAI said GPT-4o reached 'GPT-4 Turbo-level performance' on text, reasoning and coding benchmarks (e1), and it called GPT-4o 'a GPT-4 level model' (e2). That supports text parity with GPT-4 Turbo, but it does not show that GPT-4o was not significantly different from GPT-4 across the 18 months.

Caveats

  • He set no threshold for 'significantly', so the result depends on the contract's ordinary reading.
  • Arena-Hard-Auto uses a GPT-4-class model as judge, which may favour OpenAI models. Its win rates may not match real-world differences.
  • The latency, speed, price and modality claims come from OpenAI's own launch post, not from independent measurement.
  • The date of the LMSYS file comes from its own date column, not from a separate timestamp.
  • The evidence covers only OpenAI's GPT-4 line. It does not address progress across the wider field.

Evidence (4 items)

  • Supports the claim: OpenAI,

    GPT‑4o achieves GPT‑4 Turbo-level performance on text, reasoning, and coding intelligence

    Why it matters: OpenAI itself says GPT-4o's text, reasoning and coding level matches the GPT-4 Turbo line. That supports the claim of no significant jump in core intelligence.

    Publisher
    OpenAI
    Kind of source
    Company disclosure: the company describing itself, not an independent finding
    About events on
    Published
  • Supports the claim: OpenAI,

    As a first fruit of this research, we’re able to make a GPT‑4 level model available much more broadly.

    Why it matters: OpenAI calls GPT-4o a 'GPT-4 level model'. The gain it describes is efficiency and access, not a higher level of capability.

    Publisher
    OpenAI
    Kind of source
    Company disclosure: the company describing itself, not an independent finding
    About events on
    Published
  • Goes against the claim: OpenAI,

    Prior to GPT‑4o, you could use Voice Mode⁠ to talk to ChatGPT with latencies of 2.8 seconds (GPT‑3.5) and 5.4 seconds (GPT‑4) on average.

    Why it matters: Elsewhere the same page says GPT-4o answers audio in about 320 ms on average, through a single end-to-end model. That cuts GPT-4's 5.4 s voice latency sharply and adds native audio and vision. These are substantial differences beyond text.

    Publisher
    OpenAI
    Kind of source
    Company disclosure: the company describing itself, not an independent finding
    About events on
    Published
  • Goes against the claim: LMSYS,

    gpt-4o-2024-05-13,GPT-4o-2024-05-13,-,0.887,2023/10,Proprietary,OpenAI,https://openai.com/index/hello-gpt-4o/,79.21,77.5,80.94

    Why it matters: In the same file, GPT-4-0314 is the Arena-Hard-Auto baseline at 50.0. GPT-4o scores 79.21, meaning it was judged better than the original March 2023 GPT-4 on most hard prompts. The file also lists MMLU at 0.887 versus 0.864 for GPT-4-0314.

    Publisher
    LMSYS
    Kind of source
    Benchmark result
    About events on
    Published

How we judged it

Kind of claim
Observation
Deadline
None given. We don’t add one.

Conditions

  • in the last 18 months (their words)

Where we had to interpret

  • Plain reading: by July 2024, OpenAI's GPT-4o (released May 2024) was not a significant step up from the GPT-4 line OpenAI had offered since March 2023. In other words, OpenAI's capability had stalled since GPT-4.
  • The baseline is GPT-4 (March 2023) and its GPT-4 Turbo updates, not pre-GPT-4 models. That matches his point about stalling and avoids counting GPT-4's own launch against him.
  • He set no threshold for 'significantly' and named no domain. Read in context ('what if they've stalled'), he means general capability, chiefly text intelligence. Speed, price and new modes (voice, vision) are also relevant, because they are what OpenAI itself presented as the differences.

Right if: Primary or benchmark evidence shows GPT-4o performing at about the same level as GPT-4 / GPT-4 Turbo, with no large gain in capability.

Wrong if: Primary or benchmark evidence shows GPT-4o clearly better than GPT-4 on core capability, or adding major new capabilities, in a way an informed reader would call significant.

We wrote this test after the outcome was known.

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Full record

Source and dates

Where's Your Ed At, Rot Economics - An Interview With MIT's Daron Acemoglu, paragraph 53.

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Evidence up to
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We read this wording on 2026-10-28. The post may have been edited after 2024-07-24.

Where it was said (1)

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  • : Where's Your Ed At, Rot Economics - An Interview With MIT's Daron Acemoglu

    In the last 18 months, GPT-4o is not significantly different.

    Published
    2024-07-24
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History

Versions

  • Current: Contradicted. Evidence up to 2026-10-28.

What happened to this record

  1. PublishedBy us

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  2. Held backBy us

    A reviewer said our test wasn’t fair to what was actually said.