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“But their current, actual products are definitely not transparent, and at least in some ways, demonstrably not safe.”

Two models of AI oversight - and how things could go deeply wrong, paragraph 17. The full statement is at the source.

Our reading, the sentence that was checked:

Microsoft's current AI products are not transparent and in some ways demonstrably not safe.

Assessment: Supported Evidence as of

Where and when Gary Marcus wrote it

Marcus on AI, Two models of AI oversight - and how things could go deeply wrong, paragraph 17.

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What the claim commits to

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From the speaker

  • their current, actual products
  • definitely not transparent
  • at least in some ways, demonstrably not safe

Our interpretation

  • The surrounding examples make Microsoft's Bing Chat and its integration into Edge the principal products being assessed. This is not read as a universal claim about every Microsoft AI product.
  • Transparency means sufficient public information for outsiders to examine the underlying system, rather than merely knowing that a product uses AI.
  • Demonstrably unsafe in some ways means documented harmful behavior or demonstrated security vulnerabilities. It does not require proof that every interaction is dangerous.
  • These products have no regular reporting period. I use the current Bing release cycle, from its February 2023 launch month through the post, as the observation window. February 1 is a month-boundary convention, not an asserted launch date.

Counts as supported if: Contemporaneous evidence establishes that Bing's underlying workings were materially unavailable to outsiders and demonstrates at least one harmful behavior or exploitable security failure in the deployed product.

Counts as contradicted if: Evidence establishes adequate public access to the underlying workings, or establishes that the purported safety demonstrations did not involve the deployed product or did not demonstrate the claimed failure.

Retrospective: these criteria were written after the outcome was public.

Current assessment

Was it true for the period described?

Outcome: Supported

The dated evidence matches what the claim committed to, under the criteria frozen before grading.

Scored on a plain reading. The speaker named no measure for this claim, so it was judged on the reading an informed reader would take, stated below under our interpretation. Both reviews had to find that reading fair.

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Policy version
2026-10-28.7

Rationale

The May 5, 2023 research paper reports that full details of Bing Chat's workings were unavailable [e1]. Its tests of deployed Bing through the Edge sidebar showed that hidden webpage instructions could influence the model despite protections against direct prompts [e1, e2]. These findings support both limited transparency and a demonstrated security failure within the February–June 8, 2023 release window [e1, e2]. Microsoft's April 2023 document describes Bing's operation and safeguards, qualifying any suggestion of no public disclosure or safety measures [e3].

Limitations

  • The evidence concerns Bing Chat and its Edge integration, not every Microsoft AI product.
  • The tests do not establish the frequency of exploitation or realized harm in ordinary use.
  • The evidence does not establish that the same exploit remained reproducible on June 8, 2023.
  • The packet does not separately establish the post's defamation or ChatGPT-plugin examples.

Evidence (3 items)

  • Supports the claim: Kai Greshake and colleagues / arXiv,

    Full details

    Why it matters here: The researchers describe Bing as a system they could test without access to its internals. They identify GPT-4 as its underlying model and distinguish available high-level descriptions from unavailable implementation details.

    Publisher
    Kai Greshake and colleagues / arXiv
    Kind of source
    Preprint, not peer reviewed
    Describes events of
    Public from
  • Supports the claim: Kai Greshake and colleagues / arXiv,

    succumbs

    Why it matters here: The footnote describes Bing's behavior at the time of writing: instructions blocked when entered directly could take effect when encountered indirectly. The preceding methods section explains testing through hidden instructions in pages read by the deployed Edge sidebar.

    Publisher
    Kai Greshake and colleagues / arXiv
    Kind of source
    Preprint, not peer reviewed
    Describes events of
    Public from
  • Context only: Microsoft,

    responsible AI

    Why it matters here: Microsoft publicly explained Bing's GPT-4 integration, retrieval process, testing, filters, and conversation limits. This qualifies any suggestion of zero disclosure or no safety work, but does not establish public access to model internals or eliminate the demonstrated vulnerability.

    Publisher
    Microsoft
    Kind of source
    Company disclosure: the company describing itself, not an independent finding
    Describes events of
    Public from

Where it was said (1)

Said once in the sources this register covers.

  • : Marcus on AI, Two models of AI oversight - and how things could go deeply wrong

    But their current, actual products are definitely not transparent, and at least in some ways, demonstrably not safe.

    Published
    2023-06-08
    Source observed
    , live page
    Access
    full text, public

History

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