Gary Marcus Forecast First said 2023-11-22

“Of course after all the drama, the company that was reportedly about to invest at a reported $86 billion valuation, Thrive Capital, and its own investors, like CalPERS (the California pension system which is believed to have financed Thrive in part) probably now won’t.”

Top 5 reasons why OpenAI was probably never really worth $86 billion, paragraph 7. The full statement is at the source.

Our reading, the sentence that was checked:

Thrive Capital probably will not now invest in OpenAI at an $86B valuation.

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Where and when Gary Marcus wrote it

Marcus on AI, Top 5 reasons why OpenAI was probably never really worth $86 billion, paragraph 7.

Said: 2023-11-22
Source observed: 2026-10-29live page, full text, public
Evidence: Not checkedboth screens found it cannot be checked
Assessment recorded: 2026-10-29assessment marcus-top-5-reasons-why-openai-was-probably-46851a-a1

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What the claim commits to

Kind: Forecast
Deadline, as the speaker wrote it: None stated. This site does not add one.
Deadline state when assessed: No horizon
Deadline state on 2026-10-29: No horizon (the release’s reference date)

Conditions

after the board drama (qualifier, stated by the speaker)

From the speaker

after the board drama
$86 billion

Our interpretation

None added.

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Current assessment

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Outcome: Can’t be checked

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Why it can’t be checked

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Stated as a chance or a possibility, or at medium or low confidence.

Evidence: Not checked
Deadline state when assessed: No horizon
Assessment recorded: 2026-10-29
Policy version: 2026-10-28.7

Rationale

Not checked against evidence. Two independent screens, one from each provider, both found this stated as a chance or a possibility, or at medium or low confidence.

Limitations

None recorded.

Evidence (0 items)

No evidence was searched for. Both screens found that public evidence could not settle this claim.

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Where it was said (1)

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2023-11-22: Marcus on AI, Top 5 reasons why OpenAI was probably never really worth $86 billion
Of course after all the drama, the company that was reportedly about to invest at a reported $86 billion valuation, Thrive Capital, and its own investors, like CalPERS (the California pension system which is believed to have financed Thrive in part) probably now won’t.
Where
paragraph 7
Published
2023-11-22
Source observed
2026-10-29, live page
Access
full text, public

History

Assessment versions

Assessment marcus-top-5-reasons-why-openai-was-probably-46851a-a1: Current. Outcome: Can’t be checked. Not checked against evidence. Public date not recorded.

Recorded events

2026-10-29
Assessment publishedBy this site
First assessment published after both reviews and the final-text check passed.
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