“Scaling has run out (like I said it would)”
Our reading, the sentence that was checked:
Scaling of LLMs has run out as of April 2025.
Assessment: Contradicted Evidence as of
Where and when Gary Marcus wrote it
Marcus on AI, Scaling is over, the bubble may be deflating, LLMs still can’t reason, and you can’t trust Sam, paragraph 12.
- Said
- Source observed
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- Evidence as of
- the cutoff for this assessment
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- assessment marcus-scaling-is-over-the-bubble-may-be-d00cb4-a2
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The wording above is the version this site observed on 2026-10-28. The source may have been edited after 2025-04-06. This page does not claim the wording was captured then.
What the claim commits to
- Kind
- Observation
- Deadline, as the speaker wrote it
- None stated. This site does not add one.
- Deadline state when assessed
- No horizon
- Deadline state on 2026-10-29
- No horizon (the release’s reference date)
From the speaker
- Scaling has run out
- Model and data size scaling are over
- 30 trillion training tokens and 2 trillion parameters
Our interpretation
- The post's opening discussion makes model and pretraining-data scaling the relevant subject.
- The ordinary reading is that increasing pretraining scale no longer delivers meaningful capability gains at the frontier, rather than merely delivering diminishing returns.
- A larger non-reasoning model need not outperform every smaller reasoning model for pretraining scaling to remain useful.
- The target period is the early-2025 model generation through the post date. Unlike financial reporting, model evaluations have no fixed reporting quarter; this period choice is an interpretation.
- Later analysis may be used only for results concerning models and scaling steps already present in the target period.
Counts as supported if: Comparable frontier evaluations show that increasing model, data, or pretraining-compute scale has ceased to produce meaningful capability gains.
Counts as contradicted if: Comparable evaluations tied to increased pretraining scale show meaningful capability gains during the target period.
Retrospective: these criteria were written after the outcome was public.
Current assessment
Was it true for the period described?
Outcome: Contradicted
The dated evidence goes against what the claim committed to, under the criteria frozen before grading.
Scored on a plain reading. The speaker named no measure for this claim, so it was judged on the reading an informed reader would take, stated below under our interpretation. Both reviews had to find that reading fair.
- Evidence as of
- Deadline state when assessed
- No horizon
- Assessment recorded
- Policy version
- 2026-10-28.7
Rationale
On February 27, 2025, OpenAI reported that GPT-4.5's increased pretraining scale brought gains over GPT-4o, including 71.4% versus 53.6% on GPQA and 36.7% versus 9.3% on AIME 2024 [e1]. Epoch AI's September 16, 2025 analysis of that February model generation found its gains consistent with expected compute-scaling trends [e2]. These results contradict the reading that pretraining scaling had ceased to deliver meaningful capability gains by April 6, 2025 [e1, e2].
Limitations
- The assessment interprets 'run out' as cessation of meaningful capability gains, rather than poor economic returns.
- The comparisons do not isolate increased scale from concurrent architectural and training-method changes.
- OpenAI's benchmark results are company-reported.
- The evidence does not establish whether the gains justified the additional cost.
Evidence (2 items)
Goes against the claim: OpenAI,
shows meaningful improvements
Why it matters here: OpenAI ties the larger pretraining run to gains: its table reports GPQA scores of 71.4% versus 53.6% for GPT-4o and AIME 2024 scores of 36.7% versus 9.3%. These are company-reported comparisons; the release also acknowledges architectural and optimization changes.
- Publisher
- OpenAI
- Kind of source
- Company disclosure: the company describing itself, not an independent finding
- Describes events of
- Public from
Goes against the claim: Epoch AI,
scaling roughly as expected.
Why it matters here: The footnote compares GPT-4.5's gains over GPT-4o on GPQA and Math Level 5 with observed performance-versus-compute trends. This is later analysis of the February model generation, not evidence from a later model.
- Where
- Page 21, footnote 12
- Publisher
- Epoch AI
- Kind of source
- Independent measurement
- Describes events of
- Public from
Where it was said (1)
Said once in the sources this register covers.
: Marcus on AI, Scaling is over, the bubble may be deflating, LLMs still can’t reason, and you can’t trust Sam
Scaling has run out (like I said it would)
- Where
- paragraph 12
- Published
- 2025-04-06
- Source observed
- , live page
- Access
- full text, public
History
Assessment versions
- Assessment marcus-scaling-is-over-the-bubble-may-be-d00cb4-a2: Current. Outcome: Contradicted. Evidence as of 2026-10-28. Public date not recorded.
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