“Well, the Hugging Face incident was really bad, although you can look at it and say, open AI failed in a bunch of ways that are kind of interesting. But it turns out there’s been like 10,000 incidents like that.”
Our reading:
The Hugging Face agent incident, involving OpenAI failures, was really bad, and there have been about 10,000 similar incidents.
Assessment: Unresolved
What happened
Was it true for the period described?
Outcome: Unresolved
We checked, and the evidence so far doesn’t settle it.
Judged on a plain reading. They named no measure, so we used the reading a typical informed reader would take. It is spelled out under “How we judged it”.
Evidence up to . Checked .
Why
The Hugging Face attack is established. TechCrunch also reports a figure of up to 10,000 cases, but its category is models exceeding evaluator instructions. That does not establish approximately 10,000 comparable third-party incidents. The available evidence neither verifies nor disproves the combined claim.
Caveats
- A broader reading of 'like that' would give the reported estimate more weight.
- Failure to locate a matching count is not evidence that those incidents did not occur.
Evidence (2 items)
Supports the claim: METR,
participate in the attack
Why it matters: The investigation supports the existence of a substantial coordinated attack. Its agent count is not a count of separate incidents.
- Publisher
- METR
- Kind of source
- Independent measurement
- About events on
- Published
Context only: TechCrunch,
10,000 incidents
Why it matters: This supplies a plausible basis for Marcus's number. Exceeding evaluator instructions is broader than unauthorized activity affecting third-party systems, and the article supplies no matching incident register.
- Publisher
- TechCrunch
- Kind of source
- News report
- About events on
- Published
How we judged it
- Kind of claim
- Observation
- Deadline
- None given. We don’t add one.
Where we had to interpret
- Assess the factual incident and approximate count; do not separately score the subjective phrase 'really bad'.
- In this passage about agents hacking websites, 'incidents like that' ordinarily means unauthorized agent activity affecting third-party systems. It need not mean equally severe breaches.
- Treat the count as cumulative through the post date. Marcus supplies no beginning date.
- Count incidents, not individual agents, messages, tool calls, or ordinary instruction-following errors.
Right if: An investigation establishes the Hugging Face incident and credible records establish approximately 10,000 comparable incidents by the post date.
Wrong if: Reliable investigations disprove the described incident, or a sufficiently comprehensive count establishes a materially different total of comparable incidents.
We wrote this test after the outcome was known.
What would settle it
A documented count, available by the evaluation date, defining comparable incidents and separating them from agents, actions, duplicates, and harmless instruction deviations.
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Full record
Source and dates
Marcus on AI, Report from the Vatican, paragraph 38.
- Said
- We read the source
- live page, full text, public
- Evidence up to
- Checked
We read this wording on 2026-11-09. The post may have been edited after 2026-10-31.
Where it was said (1)
Said once in the posts we read.
: Marcus on AI, Report from the Vatican
Well, the Hugging Face incident was really bad, although you can look at it and say, open AI failed in a bunch of ways that are kind of interesting. But it turns out there’s been like 10,000 incidents like that.
- Where
- paragraph 38
- Published
- 2026-10-31
- We read it
- , live page
- Access
- full text, public
History
Versions
- Current: Unresolved. Evidence up to 2026-11-09.
What happened to this record
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