Pundit ClaimsAI claims by Gary Marcus and Ed Zitron, with the evidence

“I think it’s fair to say that they have not. GPT-Turbo released this week still produces its share of groaners, like this interchange Phil Libin just sent:”

Evidence that LLMs are reaching a point of diminishing returns - and what that might mean, paragraph 21. The full statement is at the source.

Our reading, the sentence that was checked:

Hallucinations and stupid errors in LLMs have not been solved; GPT-4 Turbo still makes them.

Assessment: Supported Evidence as of

Where and when Gary Marcus wrote it

Marcus on AI, Evidence that LLMs are reaching a point of diminishing returns - and what that might mean, paragraph 21.

Said
Source observed
live page, full text, public
Evidence as of
the cutoff for this assessment
Assessment recorded
assessment marcus-evidence-that-llms-are-reaching-a-7cbffe-a1

We recorded 20 claims from this post. See every claim from this post.

The wording above is the version this site observed on 2026-10-29. The source may have been edited after 2024-04-13. This page does not claim the wording was captured then.

What the claim commits to

Kind
Observation
Deadline, as the speaker wrote it
None stated. This site does not add one.
Deadline state when assessed
No horizon
Deadline state on 2026-10-29
No horizon (the release’s reference date)

From the speaker

  • they have not
  • hallucinations and stupid errors
  • GPT-Turbo released this week
  • still produces its share of groaners

Our interpretation

  • The ordinary reading is that factual mistakes and plainly unsuccessful responses persisted, including in the newly released GPT-4 Turbo. It does not claim that accuracy had never improved.
  • Interpret GPT-Turbo as gpt-4-turbo-2024-04-09 and assess its release through the April 13 post.
  • The claim supplies no error-rate threshold. Documented failures can establish persistence without establishing their prevalence.

Counts as supported if: Dated tests or reproducible reports identify continuing factual mistakes and task failures in the April GPT-4 Turbo release.

Counts as contradicted if: Credible evidence establishes that the alleged failures were misattributed or erroneous and that the named release had eliminated the relevant problems across its intended uses. Isolated successful answers are insufficient.

Retrospective: these criteria were written after the outcome was public.

Current assessment

Was it true for the period described?

Outcome: Supported

The dated evidence matches what the claim committed to, under the criteria frozen before grading.

Scored on a plain reading. The speaker named no measure for this claim, so it was judged on the reading an informed reader would take, stated below under our interpretation. Both reviews had to find that reading fair.

Evidence as of
Deadline state when assessed
No horizon
Assessment recorded
Policy version
2026-10-28.7

Rationale

Contemporary independent coding tests found failures in the April 9 Turbo release. A dated primary user report also identified incorrect factual self-description and supplied reproduction code. Together they support the limited observation that errors persisted. They do not establish how often ordinary users encountered hallucinations or validate every detail of the unseen Libin example.

Limitations

  • The coding test measures task completion, not hallucination frequency.
  • The factual-error evidence is a user report with reproduction instructions, not independent replication.
  • Persistence does not establish worsening performance or an inability to improve.

Evidence (2 items)

  • Supports the claim: Aider,

    62%

    Why it matters here: The tests used the newly released snapshot on 133 Python exercises, allowing two attempts. Unsuccessful tasks demonstrate that coding errors persisted; this is not a measurement of factual hallucinations.

    Publisher
    Aider
    Kind of source
    Benchmark result
    Describes events of
    Public from
  • Supports the claim: FlyingFathead, OpenAI Developer Community,

    2021.

    Why it matters here: This primary user report documents incorrect factual self-description in the named snapshot and supplies reproduction code. It is a reported demonstration, not an OpenAI acknowledgment or an independently replicated error-rate study.

    Publisher
    FlyingFathead, OpenAI Developer Community
    Kind of source
    Demonstration
    Describes events of
    Public from

Where it was said (1)

Said once in the sources this register covers.

  • : Marcus on AI, Evidence that LLMs are reaching a point of diminishing returns - and what that might mean

    I think it’s fair to say that they have not. GPT-Turbo released this week still produces its share of groaners, like this interchange Phil Libin just sent:

    Published
    2024-04-13
    Source observed
    , live page
    Access
    full text, public

History

Assessment versions

Recorded events

  1. Assessment publishedBy this site

    First assessment published after both reviews and the final-text check passed.

    About assessment marcus-evidence-that-llms-are-reaching-a-7cbffe-a1.