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“You can read the full paper by Timothy Duggan, Pierrick Lorang, Hong Lu, and Matthias Scheutz, which very much vindicates the Apple reasoning paper, here.”

Even more good news for the future of neurosymbolic AI, paragraph 17. The full statement is at the source.

Our reading, the sentence that was checked:

The Tufts paper strongly vindicates the Apple reasoning paper's findings.

Assessment: Unresolved Evidence as of

Where and when Gary Marcus wrote it

Marcus on AI, Even more good news for the future of neurosymbolic AI, paragraph 17.

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From the speaker

  • the full paper by Timothy Duggan, Pierrick Lorang, Hong Lu, and Matthias Scheutz
  • very much vindicates the Apple reasoning paper

Our interpretation

  • Read vindicates as independently corroborates Apple's finding of planning and generalization failures as task complexity increases.
  • The surrounding passage identifies a conceptual extension to VLAs, not a direct replication using Apple's models.
  • Strong corroboration requires more than similar task-completion scores if perception or movement failures can explain the difference.
  • Assess the Tufts findings reported in February 2026; Apple's earlier findings are comparison context.

Counts as supported if: The Tufts methods and results independently demonstrate a comparable complexity-linked planning or reasoning failure, with execution confounds sufficiently separated.

Counts as contradicted if: The Tufts results directly overturn the relevant Apple finding or clearly demonstrate that the claimed corresponding reasoning failure is absent.

Retrospective: these criteria were written after the outcome was public.

Current assessment

Was it true for the period described?

Outcome: Unresolved

The record was checked, and the evidence available by the cutoff does not settle it.

Scored on a plain reading. The speaker named no measure for this claim, so it was judged on the reading an informed reader would take, stated below under our interpretation. Both reviews had to find that reading fair.

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Rationale

The studies show compatible performance limitations, but compatibility does not settle strong vindication. The execution confound prevents the Tufts result from independently establishing the same reasoning failure. It also does not overturn Apple's finding.

Limitations

  • A weaker reading of vindicates as merely consistent with would receive more support.
  • This assessment concerns the claimed relationship between the studies, not whether Apple's findings are independently correct.

Evidence (2 items)

  • Context only: arXiv; Apple researchers,

    Through extensive experimentation across diverse puzzles, we show that frontier LRMs face a complete accuracy collapse beyond certain complexities.

    Why it matters here: Apple reports complexity-linked collapse in language-model puzzle solving. This establishes the comparison target, not independent confirmation of it.

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    arXiv; Apple researchers
    Kind of source
    Preprint, not peer reviewed
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  • Context only: arXiv; Duggan, Lorang, Lu and Scheutz,

    Their task advancement rates were also very low.

    Why it matters here: The task failures resemble Apple's pattern, but the discussion attributes failures mainly to low-level execution. The planner-guided VLA failed despite receiving valid plans.

    Publisher
    arXiv; Duggan, Lorang, Lu and Scheutz
    Kind of source
    Preprint, not peer reviewed
    Describes events of
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What would settle it

A comparison that separates planning correctness from perception and movement, then tests whether the same complexity-linked reasoning failure remains.

Where it was said (1)

Said once in the sources this register covers.

  • : Marcus on AI, Even more good news for the future of neurosymbolic AI

    You can read the full paper by Timothy Duggan, Pierrick Lorang, Hong Lu, and Matthias Scheutz, which very much vindicates the Apple reasoning paper, here.

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    2026-04-12
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    full text, public

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