Pundit ClaimsAI claims by Gary Marcus and Ed Zitron, with the evidence

“Secure, trustworthy AI could be a great thing, but LLMs will never be that.”

An unending array of jailbreaking attacks could be the death of LLMs, paragraph 8.

Our reading:

LLMs will never be secure, trustworthy AI.

Assessment: Unresolved

What happened

Did the forecast come true?

Outcome: Unresolved

We checked, and the evidence so far doesn’t settle it.

Judged on a plain reading. They named no measure, so we used the reading a typical informed reader would take. It is spelled out under “How we judged it”.

Evidence up to . Checked .

Why

The March 4, 2025 study version reports adaptive attacks bypassing all eight evaluated defenses, with success rates above 50% [e3]. Those results establish weaknesses in the tested defenses, not impossibility for every future LLM system [e3]. CaMeL's June 24, 2025 version describes protections alongside policy-maintenance burdens, excluded attacks, and potential side channels [e4]. LLMbda's July 10, 2026 version provides machine-checked information-flow guarantees, with modeling limits, policy relaxations, and two successful attacked runs in its evaluation [e5]. Neither defense supplies the broad independent evaluation required for a conclusive counterexample, and the documented attacks cannot establish an unlimited 'never' forecast [e3, e4, e5].

Caveats

  • The attack study covers eight defenses and cannot establish the security of all present or future systems [e3].
  • The candidate defenses do not establish overall security, output reliability, and retained usefulness across realistic deployment threats [e4, e5].
  • The supplied evaluations do not meet the contract's independent evaluation requirement for early resolution [e4, e5].

Evidence (3 items)

  • Context only: arXiv; Qiusi Zhan and coauthors,

    This reveals critical vulnerabilities in current defenses.

    Why it matters: The researchers bypassed all eight evaluated defenses with adaptive attacks, reporting success rates above 50%. This documents weaknesses in those defenses, but cannot establish that every future LLM will remain insecure.

    Publisher
    arXiv; Qiusi Zhan and coauthors
    Kind of source
    Preprint, not peer reviewed
    About events on
    Published
  • Context only: arXiv; Edoardo Debenedetti and coauthors,

    No, prompt injection attacks are not fully solved.

    Why it matters: CaMeL provides control-flow and data-flow protections around vulnerable models. Its authors also identify excluded text-manipulation attacks, policy-maintenance burdens, and possible side channels, so this proposal does not meet the broader early-resolution rule.

    Publisher
    arXiv; Edoardo Debenedetti and coauthors
    Kind of source
    Preprint, not peer reviewed
    About events on
    Published
  • Context only: arXiv; Zac Garby, Andrew D. Gordon, and David Sands,

    must be probabilistic

    Why it matters: LLMbda supplies machine-checked information-flow guarantees and a banking-agent evaluation, providing material progress against the categorical pessimism. Its stated modeling limits, policy relaxations, and two successful attacked runs prevent treating it as independent establishment of overall security and trustworthiness.

    Publisher
    arXiv; Zac Garby, Andrew D. Gordon, and David Sands
    Kind of source
    Preprint, not peer reviewed
    About events on
    Published

How we judged it

Kind of claim
Forecast
Deadline
“never”

Where we had to interpret

  • In context, secure and trustworthy means dependable operation against adversarial prompting, including jailbreaks, unauthorized actions, and disclosure of protected information.
  • I use practical security for a meaningful intended deployment, rather than requiring perfection against every conceivable threat.
  • A protected LLM-based system can be a candidate counterexample, but a guarantee for one narrow property does not by itself establish overall security and trustworthiness.
  • Never supplies no finite deadline. Continued failures cannot establish the forecast for all future LLMs.

Right if: A general impossibility result would have to rule out practically secure and trustworthy LLM-based systems across the claim's scope. A finite collection of failed systems cannot establish never.

Wrong if: A publicly documented LLM-based system receives credible independent evaluation establishing dependable security and trustworthiness in a meaningful deployment against realistic jailbreak and prompt-injection threats.

We wrote this test after the outcome was known.

What would settle it

A dated, reproducible independent evaluation establishing practical security and trustworthiness in a useful LLM deployment would contradict the forecast. It must test realistic adaptive attacks and cover confidentiality, unauthorized actions, output reliability, and retained usefulness beyond one property or benchmark. A general impossibility result covering the claim's full scope would support it.

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Full record

Source and dates

Marcus on AI, An unending array of jailbreaking attacks could be the death of LLMs, paragraph 8.

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We read this wording on 2026-10-29. The post may have been edited after 2024-04-02.

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  • : Marcus on AI, An unending array of jailbreaking attacks could be the death of LLMs

    Secure, trustworthy AI could be a great thing, but LLMs will never be that.

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    2024-04-02
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History

Versions

  • Current: Unresolved. Evidence up to 2026-10-28.

What happened to this record

  1. PublishedBy us

    Published after both AI reviews and the final check passed.

  2. Held backBy us

    The final check failed: a cited source didn’t say what the write-up said.