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“I do genuinely believe today’s Turing Test takers are better AI systems than an earlier generation. I hardly think that means anything is “over”.”

AI has (sort of) passed the Turing Test; here’s why that hardly matters, paragraph 3. The full statement is at the source.

Our reading, the sentence that was checked:

Today's Turing Test-taking AI systems are better than the earlier generation, but that does not mean anything is 'over'.

Assessment: Unresolved Evidence as of

Where and when Gary Marcus wrote it

Marcus on AI, AI has (sort of) passed the Turing Test; here’s why that hardly matters, paragraph 3.

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From the speaker

  • today’s Turing Test takers
  • better AI systems than an earlier generation
  • hardly think that means anything is “over”

Our interpretation

  • The ordinary reading is improved overall conversational and task competence compared with pre-LLM chatbots, including Goostman. It does not require superiority on every task.
  • A higher human-identification rate establishes improved imitation, but does not alone establish the broader capability comparison.
  • For the ongoing state, the target is March 2025, the reporting period of the new study discussed in the post.
  • The statement that nothing is 'over' expresses a judgment without a separate measurable endpoint.

Counts as supported if: Comparative evaluations establish broader conversational and task competence for the contemporary systems over the earlier chatbot generation.

Counts as contradicted if: Comparable evaluations establish that the contemporary systems have no overall capability advantage over the earlier generation.

Retrospective: these criteria were written after the outcome was public.

Current assessment

Was it true for the period described?

Outcome: Unresolved

The record was checked, and the evidence available by the cutoff does not settle it.

Scored on a plain reading. The speaker named no measure for this claim, so it was judged on the reading an informed reader would take, stated below under our interpretation. Both reviews had to find that reading fair.

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Rationale

The evidence supports improvement in conversational imitation. That is narrower than the ordinary claim that these are better AI systems overall. The records reviewed do not settle that broader comparison with the earlier generation. The statement about nothing being 'over' has no separate measurable endpoint.

Limitations

  • This is an evidence gap, not evidence that contemporary systems lack broader improvements.
  • A reading restricted to humanlike conversation would receive a more favorable assessment.

Evidence (2 items)

  • Context only: arXiv; Cameron R. Jones and Benjamin K. Bergen,

    outperforming ELIZA (22%)

    Why it matters here: This supports a narrower historical improvement in conversational imitation. It concerns an earlier evaluation and does not measure overall competence.

    Publisher
    arXiv; Cameron R. Jones and Benjamin K. Bergen
    Kind of source
    Preprint, not peer reviewed
    Describes events of
    Public from
  • Context only: arXiv; Cameron R. Jones and Benjamin K. Bergen,

    intelligence is complex and multifaceted.

    Why it matters here: The study reports strong persona-prompted performance against ELIZA, while distinguishing humanlikeness from intelligence. Its results do not directly establish the broader capability comparison with Goostman.

    Publisher
    arXiv; Cameron R. Jones and Benjamin K. Bergen
    Kind of source
    Preprint, not peer reviewed
    Describes events of
    Public from

What would settle it

Comparable evaluations of contemporary and pre-LLM systems across conversational coherence, factual accuracy, reasoning, and task completion.

Where it was said (1)

Said once in the sources this register covers.

  • : Marcus on AI, AI has (sort of) passed the Turing Test; here’s why that hardly matters

    I do genuinely believe today’s Turing Test takers are better AI systems than an earlier generation. I hardly think that means anything is “over”.

    Published
    2025-04-02
    Source observed
    , live page
    Access
    full text, public

History

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